Rebutting 'Hindus Are a Lost People'
BY: SHIVA DASA
Aug 23, USA (SUN) I just read a Vaisnava's incendiary post at a webforum, and it got me to thinking. What I noticed
was something I see now then coming from various
Vaisnavas. What the person wrote was a scathing
critique of what he (or she) perceived to be a
suitable target for denigration; "Hindus". Because the
person's post was so pointed and overbearing, I
decided to respond to it here in a way that I feel may
broaden the perspective of those who have similar
views. From hearing various Vaisnavas over the last
few years I know that the harsh uncompromising
opinions you are about to read may seem familiar to
some of you. The posters words are numbered and in
italics, and then after every numbered post I
give my comments.
Hindus are a lost people
Dear friends,
I am gonna say something politically incorrect, so
please don't be offended. This is something we should
all consider. Even SP, I believe, gave it some
thought. We should try and isolate ourselves from
those calling themselves 'Hindus' for the following
genuine reasons.
Hindus are confused people who believe in the
following myths:
1) All paths are true:
Almost all people who follow one of the many Vedic
traditions refer to themselves as Hindus. There is no
single "Hindu" dogma or belief system. Just like the
Roman Catholics, the Southern Baptists, the Mormons,
the Seventh Day Adventists, the Christian Scientists,
the Unitarians, the Jehovahs Witnesses, the
Pentecostals, the Eastern Orthodox Churches, and every
thing in between; all call themselves Christian, even
though they each believe a different theology and
philosophy, also in the "Hindu" world there are
numerous traditions and theologies and philosophies
which people follow whom almost all refer to
themselves as Hindu.
So your statement is false because "Hindus" have
diverse beliefs, there is no official "Hindu" belief
system just as there is no official Christian or
Jewish or Muslim or Buddhist belief system. Each of
these designations refers to a body of religions, not
a specific religion or ideology.
2) All is God:
No, all is God's Shakti manifesting at different
levels. That's why there is
diversity.
From S.B 11.13.24:
Within this world, whatever is perceived by the mind,
speech, eyes or other senses is Me alone and nothing
besides Me. All of you please understand this by a
straightforward analysis of the facts.
S.B 11.28.18:
Real spiritual knowledge is based on the
discrimination of spirit from matter, and it is
cultivated by scriptural evidence, austerity, direct
perception, reception of the Puranas' historical
narrations, and logical inference. The Absolute Truth,
which alone was present before the creation of the
universe and which alone will remain after its
destruction, is also the time factor and the ultimate
cause. Even in the middle stage of this creation's
existence, the Absolute Truth alone is the actual
reality.
Here Krishna is telling us that everything is Him. The
Shaktis of the Lord are not different from the Lord.
From Vaishnava Siddhanta Mala by Thakura
Bhaktivinoda:
It is not that Bhagavan is one thing and the shakti is
another; just as the burning power of the fire is
inseparable from the fire, similarly Bhagavan’s shakti
is inseparable from Bhagavan.
From Thakura Bhaktivinoda's Jaiva Dharma:
The commentary on Vedanta states, shakti-shaktimator
abhedah: 'There is no difference between the potency
and the possessor of potency.' This means that shakti
is not a separate object. The Supreme Person who is
the master of all potencies is the one truly abiding
substance. Shakti is the quality, or inherent
function, that is subordinate to His will.
And also from Jaiva Dharma:
In the Narada-pancaratra, Sri Durga Devi explains:
tava vaksasi radhaham rase vrindavane vane
In the forest known as Vrindavana, I am Your internal
sakti, Sri Radhika, who adorns Your chest in the rasa
dance.
From this statement of Durga Devi, it is clear that
there is only one sakti, not two. That sakti is
Radhika when She manifests as the internal potency,
and she is Durga when she is manifested as the
external potency. In the condition of freedom from
contact with the material modes of nature, visnu-maya
is the cit-sakti. That same visnu-maya is the
jada-sakti when it is endowed with the modes of
nature.
Purport from A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami C.C Madhya 22.7:
The Lord has many potencies, and He is non-different
from all these potencies. Because the potencies and
the potent cannot be separated, they are identical.
Krsna is described as the source of all potencies, and
He is also identified with the external potency, the
material energy. Krsna also has internal potencies, or
spiritual potencies, which are always engaged in His
personal service. His internal potency is different
from His external potency. Krsna's internal potency
and Krsna Himself, who is the potent, are always
identical.
So we are being told that everything is in fact God.
The Acintya Bhedabheda philosophy of Sri Caitanya is
telling us that God is one with or identical to
everything. Yet simultaneously different from
everything. The difference does not negate the
oneness, it is in addition to the oneness. Just like
the Sun is one with the heat it produces, yet at the
same time the Sun is different then the heat because
the Sun is the heat and much more then the heat. The
Sun is also a giant sphere, the Sun is also light, the
Sun is many things. Yet none of those characteristics
of the Sun define the totality of the Sun. The Sun is
identical to it's parts yet at the same time it is
different from it's parts. So Sri Krishna is identical
to everything in existence because everything is
comprised of Krishna, yet at the same time Krishna is
different from any specific aspect of Himself because
Krishna is the totality of all existence.
From S.B. 4.17-19:
Gold and earth are originally existing as ingredients.
From gold one may fashion golden ornaments such as
bracelets and earrings, and from earth one may fashion
clay pots and saucers. The original ingredients gold
and earth exist before the products made from them,
and when the products are eventually destroyed, the
original ingredients, gold and earth, will remain.
Thus, since the ingredients are present in the
beginning and at the end, they must also be present in
the middle phase, taking the form of a particular
product to which we assign for convenience a
particular name, such as bracelet, earring, pot or
saucer. We can therefore understand that since the
ingredient cause exists before the creation of a
product and after the product's destruction, the same
ingredient cause must be present during the manifest
phase, supporting the product as the basis of its
reality.
A material object, itself composed of an essential
ingredient, creates another material object through
transformation. Thus one created object becomes the
cause and basis of another created object. A
particular thing may thus be called real in that it
possesses the basic nature of another object that
constitutes its origin and final state.
The material universe may be considered real, having
nature as its original ingredient and final state.
Lord Maha-Visnu is the resting place of nature,
which becomes manifest by the power of time. Thus
nature, the almighty Visnu and time are not
different from Me, the Supreme Absolute Truth
From S.B 11.2.41:
A devotee should not see anything as being separate
from the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krsna.
Ether, fire, air, water, earth, the sun and other
luminaries, all living beings, the directions, trees
and other plants, the rivers and oceans - whatever a
devotee experiences he should consider to be an
expansion of Krsna. Thus seeing everything that
exists within creation as the body of the Supreme
Lord, Hari, the devotee should offer his sincere
respects to the entire expansion of the Lord's
body.
3) Every soul is pure:
No, there are gradations. That's why the concept of
swabhava is so important in Vedanta, it stresses
uniqueness of the jiva and evolution based on that
unique quality.
The Vedas teach that every soul is pure yet covered
over by the modes of materiaL nature.
From S.B. 3.7.5:
The pure soul is pure consciousness and is never out
of consciousness, either due to circumstances, time,
situations, dreams or other causes. How then does he
become engaged in nescience?
PURPORT
The consciousness of the living being is always
present and never changes under any circumstances, as
above mentioned. When a living man moves from one
place to another, he is conscious that he has changed
his position. He is always present in the past,
present and future, like electricity. One can remember
incidents from his past and can conjecture about his
future also on the basis of past experience. He never
forgets his personal identity, even though he is
placed in awkward circumstances. How then can the
living entity become forgetful of his real identity as
pure spirit soul and identify with matter unless
influenced by something beyond himself? The conclusion
is that the living entity is influenced by the avidya
potency, as confirmed in both the Vishnu Purana and
the beginning of Srimad-Bhagavatam.
So in fact every soul is pure. Yet when the pure soul
becomes influenced by avidya, the pure soul then
becomes covered over by the modes of nature; sattva
guna, raja guna, and tamo guna. But the soul never
changes, it always remains the same.
From Bhagavad Gita 14.5:
Material nature consists of three modes - goodness,
passion and ignorance. When the eternal living entity
comes in contact with nature, O mighty-armed Arjuna,
he becomes conditioned by these modes.
PURPORT
The living entity, because he is transcendental, has
nothing to do with this material nature. Still,
because he has become conditioned by the material
world, he is acting under the spell of the three modes
of material nature. Because living entities have
different kinds of bodies, in terms of the different
aspects of nature, they are induced to act according
to that nature. This is the cause of the varieties of
happiness and distress.
Bhagavad Gita 13.30:
One who can see that all activities are performed by
the body, which is created of material nature, and
sees that the self does nothing, actually sees.
PURPORT
This body is made by material nature under the
direction of the Supersoul, and whatever activities
are going on in respect to one's body are not his
doing. Whatever one is supposed to do, either for
happiness or for distress, one is forced to do because
of the bodily constitution. The self, however, is
outside all these bodily activities. This body is
given according to one's past desires. To fulfill
desires, one is given the body, with which he acts
accordingly. Practically speaking, the body is a
machine, designed by the Supreme Lord, to fulfill
desires. Because of desires, one is put into difficult
circumstances to suffer or to enjoy. This
transcendental vision of the living entity, when
developed, makes one separate from bodily activities.
One who has such a vision is an actual seer.
Bhagavad Gita 13.32:
Those with the vision of eternity can see that the
imperishable soul is transcendental, eternal, and
beyond the modes of nature. Despite contact with the
material body, O Arjuna, the soul neither does
anything nor is entangled.
PURPORT
A living entity appears to be born because of the
birth of the material body, but actually the living
entity is eternal; he is not born, and in spite of his
being situated in a material body, he is
transcendental and eternal. Thus he cannot be
destroyed. By nature he is full of bliss. He does not
engage himself in any material activities; therefore
the activities performed due to his contact with
material bodies do not entangle him.
4) Krishha is Saguna Brahman:
Nonsense, Krishna is the source of both saguna and
nirguna, he is the Purushottama beyond which there is
no other.
Nirguna and Saguna Brahman are used in different ways
and the meanings change depending on the context.
In one context the Advaitin school say that God is
ultimately Nirguna Brahman; without attributes. They
teach that Nirguna Brahman displays attributes in the
world of Maya, that is why Brahman can incarnate as
the various avatars and as all the variety found in
the world of maya i.e. distinct souls and variety of
manifestations of plants, animals, elements etc. They
teach that all of that is an illusion caused by Maya.
Ultimately when the jiva is enlightened he will see
all variety of difference as an illusion, including
the personality or Godhead. So in using Saguna Brahman
in that context i.e. Saguna Brahman meaning Brahman
with material qualities, then Vaisnavas all
disagree.
Some Vaisnava personalist schools teach that
ultimately God is Saguna Brahman i.e. with attributes
that are real, not simply an illusion of realness in
the world of Maya.
Ramanuja and Madhvacarya taught that God is ultimately
Saguna Brahman, with attributes. They rejected the
usage of Saguna Brahman by the Advaitins who taught
that Saguna meant material attributes which they
viewed as illusory. Ramanuja and Madhvacarya taught
that God is Saguna Brahman but that those attributes
or qualities are not illusory, not material, they are
eternal, spiritual, and transcendental.
So even though Gaudiya's don't usually speak of God as
being Saguna Brahman, when they do it is in the
context of God having attributes that are not
material.
When using the Advaitian concept of Saguna and Nirguna
Brahman, Vaisnavas, including Gaudiya's teach that God
is Nirguna Brahman, i.e. without material attributes.
They reject the Advaitin definition Saguna Brahman i.e
God with material attributes.
But when the context of Nirguna and Saguna Brahman is
used differently, then Vaisnavas teach that God is
with spiritual transcendental attributes. In that
context Saguna Brahman means God with eternal
non-material attributes i.e. name, form, pastimes etc.
In that context Nirguna Brahman has no meaning because
God has attributes that are eternal.
God is in fact both the material and efficient cause
of this universe. Shakti and Shaktiman are identical.
Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur, from
his foreword to Sree Krishna Chaitanya, Vol. 1, by his
disciple Professor N.K. Sanyal. In the forward Srila
Sarasvati Thakura gives a list of 145 attributes of
Sri Krishna. Here is number 23
23) Krishna is efficient and material cause.
CC Adi 6.4: Lord Advaita Acarya is the incarnation of
Maha-Visnu, whose main function is to create the
cosmic world through the actions of maya.
CC Adi 6.5: Because He is nondifferent from Hari, the
Supreme Lord, He is called Advaita, and because He
propagates the cult of devotion, He is called Acarya.
He is the Lord and the incarnation of the Lord's
devotee. Therefore I take shelter of Him.
CC Adi 6.6: Sri Advaita Acarya is indeed directly the
Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself. His glory is
beyond the conception of ordinary living beings.
CC Adi 6.7: Maha-Visnu performs all the functions for
the creation of the universes. Sri Advaita Acarya is
His direct incarnation.
CC Adi 6.8: That purusa creates and maintains with His
external energy. He creates innumerable universes in
His pastimes.
CC Adi 6.9: By His will He manifests Himself in
unlimited forms, in which He enters each and every
universe.
CC Adi 6.10: Sri Advaita Acarya is a plenary part of
that purusa and so is not different from Him. Indeed,
Sri Advaita Acarya is not separate but is another form
of that purusa.
CC Adi 6.11: He [Advaita Acarya] helps in the pastimes
of the purusa, with whose material energy and by whose
will He creates innumerable universes.
CC Adi 6.13: Maha-Visnu creates the entire material
world with millions of His parts, energies and
incarnations.
CC Adi 6.14-15: Just as the external energy consists
of two parts -- the efficient cause [nimitta] and the
material cause [upadana], maya being the efficient
cause and pradhana the material cause -- so Lord
Visnu, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, assumes two
forms to create the material world with the efficient
and material causes.
CC Adi 6.16: Lord Visnu Himself is the efficient
[nimitta] cause of the material world, and Narayana in
the form of Sri Advaita is the material cause
[upadana].
CC Adi 6.17: Lord Visnu, in His efficient aspect,
glances over the material energy, and Sri Advaita, as
the material cause, creates the material world.
CC Adi 6.18: Although the Sankhya philosophy accepts
that the material ingredients are the cause, the
creation of the world never arises from dead matter.
CC Adi 6.19: The Lord infuses the material ingredients
with His own creative potency. Then, by the power of
the Lord, creation takes place.
CC Adi 6.20: In the form of Advaita He infuses the
material ingredients with creative energy. Therefore,
Advaita is the original cause of creation.
CC Adi 6.21: Sri Advaita Acarya is the creator of
millions and millions of universes, and by His
expansions [as Garbhodakasayi Visnu] He maintains each
and every universe.
CC Adi 6.22: Sri Advaita is the principal limb [anga]
of Narayana. Srimad-Bhagavatam speaks of "limb" [anga]
as "a plenary portion" [amsa] of the Lord.
CC Adi 6.23: "O Lord of lords, You are the seer of all
creation. You are indeed everyone's dearest life. Are
You not, therefore, my father, Narayana? 'Narayana'
refers to one whose abode is in the water born from
Nara [Garbhodakasayi Visnu], and that Narayana is Your
plenary portion. All Your plenary portions are
transcendental. They are absolute and are not
creations of maya."
CC Adi 6.24: This verse describes that the limbs and
plenary portions of the Lord are all spiritual; They
have no relationship with the material energy.
CC Adi 6.25: Why has Sri Advaita been called a limb
and not a part? The reason is that "limb" implies
greater intimacy.
CC Adi 6.26: Sri Advaita, who is a reservoir of
virtues, is the main limb of Maha-Visnu. His full name
is Advaita, for He is identical in all respects with
that Lord.
C.C. Adi 2.28: Narayana and Sri Krsna are the same
Personality of Godhead, but although They are
identical, Their bodily features are different.
Purport C.C Adi 2.29: Narayana is identical to Sri
Krsna. They are in fact the same person manifested
differently, like a high court judge who is
differently situated in his office and at home. As
Narayana the Lord is manifested with four hands, but
as Krsna He is manifested with two hands.
Purport S.B. 4.31.17:
bhumir apo nalo vayuh
kham´ mano buddhir eva ca
ahankara itiyam´ me
bhinna prakrtir astadha
"Earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intelligence
and false ego - all together these eight comprise My
separated material energies."
Although the material, or physical, elements are the
energy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, they are
separate. The Supreme Personality of Godhead is
therefore not affected by material conditions. The
Vedanta-sutra confirms, janmady asya yatah: [SB
1.1.1] the creation, maintenance and dissolution of
this cosmic manifestation are due to the existence of
the Supreme Lord. Nonetheless, the Lord is unaffected
by all these changes in the material elements. This is
indicated by the word pravaha ("emanation"). The sun
always shines brilliantly and is not affected by
clouds or darkness. Similarly, the Supreme Personality
of Godhead is always present in His spiritual energy
and is not affected by the material emanations.
Brahma-sam´hita (5.1) confirms:
isvarah paramahh krsnah
sac-cid-ananda-vigrahah
anadir adir govindah
sarva-karana-karanam
"Krsna, who is known as Govinda, is the Supreme
Godhead. He has an eternal, blissful, spiritual body.
He is the origin of all. He has no other origin, and
He is the prime cause of all causes." Although He is
the supreme cause, the cause of all causes, He is
still parama, transcendental, and His form is
sac-cid-ananda, eternal, spiritual bliss. Krsna is the
shelter of everything, and this is the verdict of all
scripture. Krsna is the remote cause, and material
nature is the immediate cause of the cosmic
manifestation. In the Caitanya-caritamrta it is said
that understanding prakrti, or nature, to be the cause
of everything is like understanding the nipples on the
neck of a goat to be the cause of milk. Material
nature is the immediate cause of the cosmic
manifestation, but the original cause is Narayana,
Krsna. Sometimes people think that the cause of an
earthen pot is the earth. We see on a potter's wheel a
sufficient amount of earth to produce many pots, and
although unintelligent men will say that the earth on
the wheel is the cause of the pot, those who are
actually advanced will find that the original cause is
the potter, who supplies the earth and moves the
wheel. Material nature may be a helping factor in the
creation of this cosmic manifestation, but it is not
the ultimate cause. In Bhagavad-gita(9.10) the Lord
therefore says:
mayadhyaksena prakrtih
suyate sa-caracaram
"This material nature is working under My direction, O
son of Kunti, and producing all moving and unmoving
beings."
The Supreme Lord casts His glance over material
energy, and His glance agitates the three modes of
nature. Creation then takes place. The conclusion is
that nature is not the cause of the material
manifestation. The Supreme Lord is the cause of all
causes.
From a lecture on C.C Adi 4.96 by A.C. Bhaktivedanta
Swami.:
"radha-purna-sakti, krsna-purna-saktiman
dui vastu bheda nai, sastra-paramana
radha-krsna aiche sadaeka-i svarupa
lila-rasa asvadite dhare dui-rupa
There is no difference between the energy and the
energetic, sakti-saktiman abheda. Therefore there is
no difference between Radha and Krsna. Radha is
purna-sakti and Krsna is purna-saktiman, so there is
no difference, but, lila-rasa asvadite dhare dui-rupa,
to relish the mellow of pastimes two bodies are there,
Radha and Krsna, otherwise they are one. So in
Vraja-lila there are two bodies, Radha and Krsna,
visaya and asraya. But in the form of Gauranga They
are one. Radha and Krsna combined together. Krsna
assuming the mood and complexion of Radharani appears
and that is Gauranga. This is the tattva, and that is
a very deep and confidential tattva"
Purport S.B. 6.19.6
The Lord has multifarious potencies (parasya saktir
vividhaiva sruyate). Since mother Laksmi, the goddess
of fortune, is the Lord's very precious potency, she
is addressed here as maha-maye. The word maya means
sakti. Lord Visnu, the Supreme, cannot exhibit His
power everywhere without His principal energy. It is
said, sakti saktiman abheda: the power and the
powerful are identical.
C.C. Madhya 22.7:
Krishna is the nondual Absolute Truth, the Supreme
Personality of Godhead. Although He is one, He
maintains different personal expansions and energies
for His pastimes.
PURPORT
The Lord has many potencies, and He is nondifferent
from all these potencies. Because the potencies and
the potent cannot be separated, they are identical.
Krishna is described as the source of all potencies,
and He is also identified with the external potency,
the material energy. Krishna also has internal
potencies, or spiritual potencies, which are always
engaged in His personal service. His internal potency
is different from His external potency. Krishna's
internal potency and Krishna Himself, who is the
potent, are always identical.
From Bhaktivinoda Thakura from his Sri Tattva Sutra:
7. tacchaktitastatvadhikyamiticcenna tadabhedat
If someone claims, "The Lord is different from His
potency", then I reply, "No. It is not so, for they
are not different."
If someone claims that the Supreme Personality of
Godhead, the creator of the worlds, is different from
His potency, then this sutra is spoken to refute him.
Because the Supreme Personality of Godhead is not
different from His many potencies, the potencies are
not different from Him. This is described in the
following words of the Nyaya-sastra:
"The Supreme Personality of Godhead, the master of all
potencies, is not different from His potencies."
In the Svetasvatara Upanisad (6.8.) it is said:
"The Lord's potencies of knowledge, power and action
share His own nature. They are not different from
Him."
In Visnu Purana (1.22.53) it is said:
"Just as the illumination of a fire, which is situated
in one place, is spread over, the energies of the
Supreme Personality of Godhead, Parabrahman, are
spread all over the universe."*
In the Markandeya Purana, Devi-mahatmya, the sage
explains:
"O king, now I will describe to you the glories of the
goddess. By her power she sustains the entire world.
"She is the potency of Lord Visnu. From her comes
transcendental knowledge. You and many others have
attained transcendental knowledge by her grace."
In the Narada-pancaratra, Second Night, Third Chapter,
Lord Siva explains:
"The Supreme Lord is one. Still, He is manifested in
two forms. One form is female: the potency of Lord
Visnu. The other form is male: Lord Visnu.
What is Shakti and what is Shaktiman? Ultimately we
are told there is no difference, they are identical.
Why? Because Krishna is everything. Krishna is energy
and the controller of energy; Shakti and Shaktiman.
Therefore the material energy is also identical to
Krishna. Everything is both identical and different to
Krishna. Krishna is all substance and the controller
of all substance. Krishna's energy and Krishna are
identical. But Krishna's energy is also different from
Krishna in various ways.
Krishna's energy is divided into 3 main categories.
Internal energy or Cit or Antaranga Shakti
The individual souls or Tatastha or Jiva Shakti
The Illusory energy or Bahiranga or Maya Shakti
C.C. Madhya 20.109,111:
suryamsu kirana yaiche agni-jalaya
svabhavika krsnera tina prakara sakti haya
krsnera svabhavika-tina-sakti-parinati
cic-chakti jiva-sakti ara maya-sakti
The living entity is a manifestation simultaneously
one and different from the Lord, like a molecular
particle of sunshine or fire. Krsna has three
varieties of energy.
Lord Krsna naturally has three energetic
transformations, and these are known as the spiritual
energy, the living entity energy, and the illusory
energy
C.C. Madhya 8.150-152:
krsnera ananta-sakti, ta'te tina pradhana
cic-chakti, mayasakti, jiva-sakti-nama
antaranga,bahiranga, tatastha kahi yare
antaranga svarupa-sakti sabara upare
Krsna has unlimited potencies, which can be divided
into three main parts. These are the spiritual energy,
the material energy and the marginal energy, which is
known as the living entities. In other words, these
are all potencies of God - internal, external, and
marginal. However, the internal energy is the Lord's
personal energy and stands over the other two.
Why does the Internal or Cit or Antaranga Shakti stand
over the other two?
From Bhaktivinoda's The Bhagavat:
Antaranga-shakti
Antaranga is that which pertains to the proper Entity
of the Absolute Person. It is also called
Swarupa-shakti for this reason. The literal meaning of
the word antaranga is "that which belongs to the inner
body." Shakti is rendered as "power."
From Bhaktivinoda's Jaiva Dharma:
Krsna is self-effulgent, like a blazing fire or the
sun. Krsna is like a blazing fire. In the centre of
the fire is the cit-sakti (svarupa sakti), it is
present in fullness. In addition to the centre there
is also a great expanse illuminated by the fire. The
same way the Krsna-sun illumines a great area with
sunlight. The rays of sunlight are particles of His
internal potency (svarupa sakti). Those atomic
particles that constitute those rays of sunlight are
the individual spirit souls. The internal potency
(svarupa sakti) manifests the Krsna-sun planet itself.
The sunlight emanating from that planet is manifested
by the cit-sakti (svarupa sakti) and the individual
particles of light are manifested by the jiva-sakti.
Therefore the individual spirit souls are manifested
by the jiva-sakti.
Cit Shakti, the Internal energy, is Krishna proper.
If we take into account the totality of reality, the
totality of God, we have Bhagavan, the Internal
energy, External energy, and Jiva. The Internal energy
is God proper.
Also from Jaiva Dharma:
Srila Jiva Gosvami describes the Supreme Person in
these words:
"The Absolute Truth is one. Still, by His
inconceivable potency He is manifested in four ways:
1. svarupa (His original form), 2. tad-rupa-vaibhava
(His incarnations), 3. jiva (the individual spirit
souls), and 4. pradhana (the material energy). These
four features are like: 1. the interior of the sun
planet, 2. the sun's surface, 3. the sunlight, and 4.
the reflection of the sun."
This example of course, explains only a small part of
the Lord's nature. His svarupa (original form) is His
form of eternity, knowledge and bliss. His
svarupa-vaibhava (manifestations of His form) are His
spiritual abode, name, associates and paraphernalia.
The jiva-sakti is the abode of the numberless
eternally liberated and conditioned individual souls,
who are tiny particles of spirit.
Jiva Goswami explains the personal incarnations and
spiritual abode, name, associates (personal
expansions) and paraphernalia of the Lord to be like
the sun's surface and the Lord to be like the sun's
interior. What this means is that when you look at the
sun you only see the surface, but underneath is the
sun. So when you look at a personal expansion of the
Lord or the Lord's abode, etc, they may display a
great variety of forms, personas, pastimes, etc. But
underneath they are all the same Supreme Lord. That is
the Antaranga or Cit Sakti which is always completely
identical to the Lord.
6) Since effect merges into the cause,
man merges into god.
Wrong, the effect merges into the material cause which
is prakriti, and since God is the efficient cause, his
nature never changes and there is eternal duality
between God and man.
That is Tattvavada philosophy of Sri Madhvacarya.
Gaudiya's reject the Dwaita or dualistic paradigm
preached by Sri Madhava. We accept the teachings of
the Bhagavat Purana which is explicit in it's teaching
that Krishna is simultaneously one with the Jiva and
different from the Jiva. Just like the molecule of
oxygen is part of the singular atmosphere of the
earth, yet at the same time you can see it is a
distinct particle. In that way the Bhagavat teaches
that since everything ultimately has it's existence
within and part of Hari, yet retains a distinct
identity from Hari, therefore we are all amsa's or
limbs of the body of Hari. We are called Vibhinnamsa,
whereas the various incarnations and personal
expansions of the Supreme Lord are called Swamsa.
As Jiva Goswami has said in his Krsna Sandarbha
where he quotes from the Varaha Purana:
The two kinds of expansions from the Supreme
Personality of Godhead are : 1. svamsa (personal
expansions) and 2. vibhinnamsa (separate persons). The
svamsa expansions are unlimitedly powerful. Their form
and personality are the same as the Supreme
Personality of Godhead Himself. There is not the
slightest difference between the svamsa expansions and
the Original Personality of Godhead. The vibhinnamsa
expansions are very weak in comparison to Them.
We are expansions of Krishna. That means that Krishna
manifests Himself as a different type of living entity
from His own infinite omniscient omnipresent being,
giving a unique sense of self to each one of us. But
we are not totally separate entities from
Krishna, we are two persons in one. We are Krishna and
a unique individual, together we make up "me". We
exist as a part of Krishna's consciousness, like a
limb or amsa of God's infinite body of consciousness.
Our consciousness is part of a much larger conscious
being.
From Bhagavad Gita 13.16:
The Supreme Truth exists outside and inside of all
living beings, the moving and the nonmoving. Because
He is subtle, He is beyond the power of the material
senses to see or to know. Although far, far away, He
is also near to all.
PURPORT
In Vedic literature we understand that Narayana, the
Supreme Person, is residing both outside and inside of
every living entity. He is present in both the
spiritual and material worlds. Although He is far, far
away, still He is near to us. These are the statements
of Vedic literature. Asino duram vrajati sayano yati
sarvatah (Katha Upanishad 1.2.21). And because He is
always engaged in transcendental bliss, we cannot
understand how He is enjoying His full opulence. We
cannot see or understand with these material senses.
Therefore in the Vedic language it is said that to
understand Him our material mind and senses cannot
act. But one who has purified his mind and senses by
practicing Krishna consciousness in devotional service
can see Him constantly. It is confirmed in
Brahma-samhita that the devotee who has developed love
for the Supreme God can see Him always, without
cessation. And it is confirmed in Bhagavad-gita
(11.54) that He can be seen and understood only by
devotional service. Bhaktya tv ananyaya sakyah.
Bhagavad Gita 13.17:
Although the Supersoul appears to be divided among all
beings, He is never divided. He is situated as one.
Although He is the maintainer of every living entity,
it is to be understood that He devours and develops
all.
Bhagavad Gita 13.18:
One who sees the Supersoul equally present everywhere,
in every living being, does not degrade himself by his
mind. Thus he approaches the transcendental
destination.
7) All names of God are valid:
Total nonsense, names are irrelevant in the temporal
world. But in the transcendental world, name IS the
form. So Krishna is the name as well as the form, and
other Vedic names such as Visnu, Narayana are
acceptable. But Allah, Jesus have nothing to do with
our God. Hence, Hindus stop saying . like god is one
but his names are many. Because then, a Muslim could
worship God as Bin Laden and a Christian as Bush. After
all, names are irrelevant, right?
Why do "Hindus" say that? I know Srila Prabhupada
A.C. Bhaktivedanta used to say that at various times,
why? Because they seek to present an inviting
openhearted non egotistic presentation to people of
other faiths. It's called getting along with your
neighbors. Make peace not war. Give respect; you get
respect, give disrespect; get back disrespect.
8) Varnasrama doesn't work:
It works at all times, that's why Vedanta is called
Sanatana Dharma or Eternal philosophy. Who are the
rulers at the moment? They're not kshatriya material,
they are Sudras and that's why there is chaos in
politics. As one can see, Varnasrama would've solved
this problem by electing Kshatriyas to perform that
particular dharma, and not sudras in the name of
equality and all. Hence, varna system is important now
more than ever.
Varnashrama was not a democracy, there was no voting,
it was monarchical. Varnashrama was a society wide
phenomena in the Vedic age. It didn't just pop up one
day in the middle of a totally different type of
society and culture. Varnashrama was organic to the
culture it operated within. In modern times
Varnashrama only has relevance as a sanctuary, as a
way to live apart from the modern world wide culture.
Varnashrama spiritual communities may be able to exist
in pockets here and there, where like minded souls can
come together to make an endeavor to advance
spiritually in each other's association, but thinking
that the Vedic Varnashrama society can overtake or
replace modern materialistic society? That is absurd.
It is not going to happen or even come anywhere near
happening. Forget about fantasizing about the changing
of modern society into a Vedic monarachy, or at least
run on Varnashrama and Vedic principles, it's a waste
of your time. A pipe dream. The best we can affect the
world in a big way is if we can influence some of the
very powerful to take to Vaisnavism. Then they could
in turn use their power to better society. But society
as a whole will not turn to Varnashrama or the Vedic
path, it's just not feasible.
9) We must respect people from all
faiths:
Another politically correct statement. Respect cannot
be given away for free. People should earn it. If
people from other 'faiths' want respect, they're not
gonna get it by following non-Vedic paths. If you want
to respect everyone and project a nice guy image, join
politics and leave Vedanta alone.
From Kapiladev S.B. 3.29.23-27:
One who offers Me respect but is envious of the bodies
of others and is therefore a separatist never attains
peace of mind, because of his inimical behaviour
towards other living entities.
My dear mother, even if he worships with proper
rituals and paraphernalia, a person who is ignorant of
My presence in all living entities never pleases Me by
the worship of My Deities in the temple.
Performing his prescribed duties, one should worship
the Deity of the Supreme Personality of Godhead until
one realises My presence in his own heart and in the
hearts of all other living entities as well.
As the blazing fire of death, I cause great fear to
whoever makes the least discrimination between himself
and other living entities because of a differential
outlook.
Therefore, through charitable gifts and attention, as
well as through friendly behaviour and by viewing all
to be alike, one should propitiate Me, who abide in
all creatures as their very self.
10) Peace is the highest ideal:
No wonder, Hindus have been slaves forever! Peace is a
relative idea and the relative should never be
confused with the Absolute. So to reduce all our
activities, ideas and aspirations to just ONE relative
principle is absurd.
There are many more absurdities that the Hindus
believe in, but this is all I could think of at the
moment. Anyhow, the point is, Hindus are dull people
who believe in these comforting myths to project the
'nice guy' image. They aren't interested in the truth,
they are used car salesmen and nothing more. So I
wonder why we should call ourselves Vaishnavas when
the word is commonly associated with Hinduism.
Wouldn't Vedanta be a better term to separate
ourselves from Hinduism?
I've never heard "peace is the highest ideal" spoken
or written anywhere by any "Hindu".
Krishna spoke this in the Gita chapter 16 though:
The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: Fearlessness;
purification of one's existence; cultivation of
spiritual knowledge; charity; self-control;
performance of sacrifice; study of the Vedas;
austerity; simplicity; nonviolence; truthfulness;
freedom from anger; renunciation; tranquillity;
aversion to faultfinding; compassion for all living
entities; freedom from covetousness; gentleness;
modesty; steady determination; vigor; forgiveness;
fortitude; cleanliness; and freedom from envy and from
the passion for honor - these transcendental
qualities, O son of Bharata, belong to godly men
endowed with divine nature.
Pride, arrogance, conceit, anger, harshness and
ignorance -these qualities belong to those of demoniac
nature, O son of Prtha.
The Supreme Lord is manifesting all and guiding the
path everyone is taking, after all Sri Krishna has
said:
The Supersoul alone is the ultimate controller and
creator of this world, and thus He alone is also the
created. Similarly, the Soul of all existence Himself
both maintains and is maintained, withdraws and is
withdrawn. No other entity can be properly ascertained
as separate from Him, the Supreme Soul, who
nonetheless is distinct from everything and everyone
else. The appearance of the threefold material nature,
which is perceived within Him, has no actual basis.
Rather, you should understand that this material
nature, composed of the three modes, is simply the
product of His illusory potency.
Within this world, whatever is perceived by the mind,
speech, eyes or other senses is Me alone and nothing
besides Me. All of you please understand this by a
straightforward analysis of the facts.
According to My instructions, one should fix the mind
on Me alone. If, however, one continues to see many
different values and goals in life rather than seeing
everything within Me, then although apparently awake,
one is actually dreaming due to incomplete knowledge,
just as one may dream that one has wakened from a
dream.
Those states of existence that are conceived of as
separate from the Supreme Personality of Godhead have
no actual existence, although they create a sense of
separation from the Absolute Truth. Just as the seer
of a dream imagines many different activities and
rewards, similarly, because of the sense of an
existence separate from the Lord's existence, the
living entity falsely performs fruitive activities,
thinking them to be the cause of future rewards and
destinations.