Dec 30, 2015 — CANADA (SUN) —
Hridayanada das Goswami's UCLA conversation about recent GBC actions, approximately 11th October 2015:
00:17 "they have a plan. By the way, Sivarama, Prithu and Badri have just sent out something"
00:28 "Badri also sent out something"
00:30 "yes, but it's like, you know what Badri's like"
00:44 Devotee: "…..tubo was asking me about when you are going to have that….."
00:48 Hdg: "oh yeah, I'll have it. ….travelling. We'll see…….in Europe,
you know they were going to have a Euro GBC meeting? ……..They decided
NOT to talk to me, and they voted that I shouldn't go to any European
Temple without GBC permission. Or, asking for the international GBC
committee, just like, they are not even talking to me. Anyway, don't
worry about it. It's just, I've already gotten over it………and THEN, in
Denver…actually, it's Krishna, I should practice this
more…..authorities…..but, um, that this is all Krishna, so much
Krishna, Krishna is acting…….but then, when I went to Denver, because
Mr Poison is the GBC there, I don't know what else to call him, I just
can't say his name, it's just, anyway. He is GBC so, he sent a message
that I shouldn't give class, in the Temple. But this time, it's funny
because Tusta Krishna, who last time obeyed him, this time, Badri
burned out Tusta also, and so Tusta, and all the 8 members of their
Temple council, they decided unanimously, that I should give class.
They didn't care what he said. So, I gave a class. Bhagavatam class,
and it was like, you know, by Krishna's mercy, it was a wonderful
class. Krishna made it wonderful. And it wasn't political. Someone
asked about Krishna West, and I just kinda, avoid the topic. It was
just a regular Bhagavatam class."
00:02:37 Hdg: (continued) : "so, when Poison found out, he ... I don't
know, the next thing I know, the N American GBC voted that I shouldn't
go to any North American Temple without the GBC permission. What's
interesting about this is, it is all very plausible, and I'll explain
why. What's interesting about this is, that it kind of rolls back the
agreement that I came to after about a year of discussion with the GBC
EC. To just be a normal sannyasi, and go….so, when this happened, it
was so…And again, they didn't talk to me. In this case, also, no one
spoke a word to me. In fact, they were kind of embarrassed about it,
so they asked Bir Krishna to inform me about it. But what's
interesting here is that, um, effectively, it puts me, well, I'll get
to the point.
00:03:38 Hdg: (continued) : "I felt, "how can I be in ISKCON under
these conditions?" And then I realised what Krishna was doing. The
situation is, that
Iskcon is facing a grave historical crisis, in terms of it's survival
as a relevant movement in the Western world. And, the GBC clearly is
unable to even address the problem, much less solve it. They are just
incapable of doing it. In fact they have become an obstacle to saving
ISKCON. Therefore, I realise, that at this point, there is no question
of working under the GBC. I have completely given up that idea of
working with them. You know, if they come to me respectfully, which
they're, even Brahmatirtha said they're incapable of due process. I
mean, he's a, you know, world-class mediator, and he said they're
incapable of it. And so, if one day, they do become capable, then,
sure, I'll talk. But, at this point, I'm not under the GBC. I can't
follow them. Period. At the same time, for Prabhupada's sake, because
ultimately, I have to think of what's best for Prabhupada. I can't do
anything which is not good for Prabhupada. So, what we need to do here
is actually build a model. So, we're thinking of San Luis Obispo. For
one reason, because, you look at the Bay area of Los Angeles, it's
just, it's SO expensive, that we can't build a community. People
simply can't afford to come there. You know. If we had, realistically,
if we had 10M$, and bought a really nice building, we could offer it,
then we could do it. But, I mean, if you look at San Francisco"
00:05:29 Devotee: "But, if I may, like, can you develop upon the idea
of….where the model will be is kind of secondary, I think. Can you
explain, like, well what is the, why building a model is important?"
00:05:41 Hdg: "OK, building a model…OK fine. Because, first of all, in
North Carolina, because of various circumstances, we didn't really
show a model. I mean, there was a lot of success. But, we didn't have
a spiritual program. Because all the people that participated either
they lived in New Goloka, or were householders in their own homes. No
one lived in the Temple. There was no morning program. And, so
therefore, I'm going to live there. I'm going to go personally. And,
you see, when I went to Chapel Hill, originally my instinct, what I
wanted to do, was get a house, which would be like a preaching centre,
live in it, do a spiritual program, and you know, develop it
personally. And, anyway, I won't mention, but one of my disciples, who
is in charge there, kept insisting, "no, you shouldn't do it. You
can't do it, blaah blaah blaah…it just ended up becoming nothing, so
plus it was the wrong place. It was too close to an ISKCON Temple. So,
that's what I want to do. And I'll do it, and I plan to preach the way
that I want. I plan to do what I want, for example, NO SIKHAS, Tilak
will be, you know, you just meditate on putting Krishna's Names on
your body, it's a serious spiritual practice, but not physical tilak."
06:56 Devotee: "not even if the service is…"
06:58 Hdg: " well you see, here is the problem. Let's say you're
preaching to someone, and they are interested, it could be someone who
doesn't know that much, but they like it. "Oh, I'll come in the
morning" and they see us….I just don't think it's the way forward in
the West at this point. But we'll use tilak. In other words, when you
get up in the morning, that's what I did this morning. I just
meditated, I chanted all the mantras, and just, you know, put all the
Names on my body. The clay is not the point. It's Krishna's Name. It's
Hare Nama, not Clay eva kevalam. You know what I mean? So, I just
think, we just have to, I mean, we really need a Western Hare Krishna
Movement. Any comment? And then, it's up to Krishna. I mean, if you
want to use tilak in your own home…"
07:52 Devotee: "no, no, tilak, I'm just saying the GBC, and…"
07:54 Hdg: "no, no, but here's the point, no, no, no, here's the point
we're DONE with the GBC. We're done with the GBC."
08:02 Devotee: " well, are we still ISKCON then?"
08:03 Hdg: "YES. We are."
08:05 Devotee: "how?"
08:06 Hdg: "because we are doing what they said to do. Go out and show
an example. And then, I say to them: "if you like, it's ISKCON. I'm
not going to leave ISKCON. If they say this is not ISKCON, so be it.
I'm not going to leave. The point is very simple. They, ISKCON is in
danger. They cannot save ISKCON."
08:26 Devotee: "they are not seeing that though"
08:29 Hdg: "I don't give a damn! You know, that's irrelevant at this
point. I'm going to move forward, and if people want to move forward
with me, I'm just going to move forward. And I don't care what the GBC
says. Because, Let's say they say that "OK, you're not ISKCON" which
they probably won't say anyway. I mean, if you look at the Bhakti
Centre, look at the Bhakti Centre. They opposed that after 5 years,
but because it was successful, now they want it in ISKCON. You see, if
we're not successful, then it's irrelevant, then who cares. Then
everyone just go and live your own life. The way you want in ISKCON or
whatever. But if it is successful, they'll want it. I'm not…I had to
try to save Prabhupada's mission, and they are incapable of doing it.
And they will not allow others to do it. And so, what?"
09:15 Devotee: "I'm just curious, what does that mean, specifically,
that you don't have , I mean, it's not like they're not allowing you,
it's not like last summer when they literally didn't allow you in
Europe, like they don't allow Jayapataka Swami in Europe, for example,
it's just that if you go to an ISKCON Temple, you have to get
permission from the GBC…so what does that actually mean, like in the
nitty gritty, grass roots level, like specifically? If you went to
Europe, that means you have to, what does that mean?"
09:39 Hdg: " no, in Europe, they just said "please don't come to any
European country".
09:43 Devotee: "no? They literally said that? Oh my God."
09:47 Hdg: "yeah, until, because they want to bring up the…..so, here's
the point: the fact that North America is….what's happened now is the
GBC, what's….this is what's going on…..I mean, I understand how
they're thinking, although it's ignorant and neophyte, but I
understand it. And that is, from their point of view, my tour was so
successful, that they are losing control of ISKCON. What they actually
see, is that if I just keep travelling and preaching, more and more
devotees, more and more devotees are going to favour what I want, and
they are just going to, they are just going to become like this…and
they're going to become a minority. Well, they are a minority already,
but they're actually….they fear…I mean, it's not the fact because
actually in Europe, I very scrupulously did not interfere in the
internal management of any project. Even when people kept asking me,
like "what should we do practically?" I said, "well, I can't…." I
never gave an opinion. In reality, I didn't take any devotee away from
their service, didn't give any specific instruction about what they
should do in a Temple, didn't interfere in any management, didn't make
any commentary on management. I just said this is what ISKCON needs.
But, therefore, at the present time, they see me as like, a danger to
them. To their power."
11:02 Devotee: "so what's going to happen in 4 or 5 months? There's
going to be the "make it or break it" meeting in Mayapur…"
11:09 Hdg: "Ohhhh….they'll probably put more restrictions on me. But, er,….
11:13 Devotee: "More? You don't think they're going to go back on what
they said in Europe?"
11:16 Hdg: "oh yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no…what I'm saying is they may…."
11:19 Devotee: "you said "until" that you're not allowed to go there
UNTIL the GBC meetings in Mayapur"
11:22 Hdg: "oh, the GBC international will just confirm it. But no, but
it's Krishna's mercy, you have to understand what's going on, this is
Krishna, because as long as we were…as long as I was concerned about
the GBC, I couldn't really do what I wanted to do. I mean, I did, in a
sense. I went to Europe. But that's…I realise now, that at this point
in my life I'm going to speak the truth as I see it. I'm going to do
what I feel Prabhupada needs to save his mission. I'm not going
to…They can't save ISKCON, and I'm just going to try my best for
Prabhupada."
11:56 Devotee: "how does that contradict your saying it so often, we
hear it so many times, "work under the GBC, work under the GBC, be
part of ISKCON, don't leave ISKCON" isn't it….isn't sort of, not
working under the GBC, leaving ISKCON?"
12:10 Hdg: "no, no, no, no…first of all, Prabhupada would never ask me
to work UNDER the GBC. He never asked me to work UNDER the GBC. He
said, they are the ultimate MANAGING authority, but it comes to a
point where they're….in a sense. I'm doing what they asked me to do.
They asked me to go show an example. That's what they asked me to do."
12:30 Devotee: "in which case, Krishna West could eventually become a
part of ISKCON?"
12:34 Hdg: "it IS part of ISKCON."
12:36 Devotee: "so they're not going to rescind that March 17th letter?"
12:40 Hdg: "they already did."
12:41 Devotee:"they did?!"
12:42 Hdg: "well, in fact. Because they placed new conditions, in North
America and Europe. So they've already…PLUS the broke their
promise….NO, you see…I'm not leaving ISKCON, that's the point. I'm not
leaving ISKCON. But I'm, but at the same time, if I do whatever the
GBC….the GBC has ASKED me to set up and show an example. They've asked
me to do that."
13:01 Devotee:"is that part of the latest….?"
13:03 Hdg: "NO, it was part of the, that's all they've ever said. You
know, they don't want me going to their Temples, but they've ALWAYS
asked me to set an example. So I'm going to go to a place where there
is no ISKCON project, and set an example. But I'm going to do it
exactly as I want. That is actually what they asked me to do."
13:32 Devotee:"who was, who was specifically who tipped the…..?"
13:36 Hdg: "I don't know, I don't even care any more. Brahma Tirtha is,
you know, outraged, and he is like, he is withdrawing from ISKCON
resolve. Because he knows, there was just this, it's in other words,
if they are so corrupt and incapable of fair process, because I have 2
choices right now. I can, I mean, first of all, I am doing what they
asked me to do. I'm not going to go to the Temples. I'm just going to
set up…I'm just going to do it the way that I want. And then we are
going to spread it. And then, hopefully, if it's successful, we are
just going to expand it. And I'm NOT going to leave ISKCON. If I see
that this is necessary, if it's actually working, if it's actually
successful, and it's actually saving ISKCON, and they say "we don't
want it". That's their choice.
14:25 Devotee:"and what about doing something in San Luis Obispo under the
name "ISKCON"?
14:29 Hdg: "it IS ISKCON!"
14:30 Devotee:"but, no, but without the word "Krishna West" but in that
style, with that ideology…."
14:35 Hdg: "why? There is no reason to do that."
14:39 Devotee:"that would save…that would make it easier in terms of…"
14:42 Hdg: "no, but it is. I'm a member of ISKCON. And there is a thousand…."
14:47 Devotee:"but the title "Krishna West"….
14:49 Hdg: "it doesn't matter. No, no, no, no, I'm not, I'm not going to
be intimidated by them. I've made my decision. Krishna West is an
ISKCON project. They never rescinded that. Saying that I shouldn't go
to Temples without GBC permission, they never said Krishna West is…in
other words, why should we over restrict ourselves more than they do?
No, at this point, I am not, that's what I am going to do, and anyone
that wants, can work with me. At this point, I am not going
to,…because, I'm just not….I don't accept that relationship with them
Prabhupada NEVER asked me to work under them, he asked me to cooperate
with them. But, when they refuse to follow due process, when they, you
know, make it impossible for me to do other things, I'm just going
to….I feel that this is necessary to save ISKCON. I'm not going to let
ISKCON, you know, just go down, and the Western mission just collapse,
just to be polite to some fool."
15:50 Devotee:"and if Krishna West, like, becomes really big, right? Then we
make it obsolete? Because you wouldn't want Krishna West to become
bigger than the whole of ISKCON?"
16:00 Hdg: "it's an ISKCON project."
16:02 Devotee:"but like, if you know, I'm just theorising, the media start
speaking about Krishna West more than ISKCON, it's kind ludicrous!"
16:12 Hdg: "no it's not. No. Not at all. Then, it's up to them. It's up
to them. It's up to the GBC."
16:28 Devotee:"so, in North America, it's a little less heavy than in
Europe. At least they are allowing you to visit WITH GBC
authorisation."
16:34 Hdg: "Yeah. No, but I don't accept it. You see, I've got to a point
in my life where I will NOT be humiliated. I will NOT be humiliated, I
will not be put in a special category, I just won't accept it. I won't
accept it, because I don't think Prabhupada wants me to. What?"
16:56 Devotee:"they're not allowing you to go to any country in Europe?"
17:00 Hdg: "I mean, obviously I can go if I want, but no, but….I think
it's Krishna. I think it's Krishna forcing me to finally commit and
develop a project, because I always thought, "well, you know, it would
be nice, but Krishna doesn't want me to do it" so, actually Krishna
has shown me very clearly that this is what He wants me to do. So, I
am just grateful. It's actually Krishna. Because if Krishna hadn't
have done this, I wouldn't have just committed to developing a
project. I just would have kept travelling. So, it's actually Krishna.
That's what we have to see, it's actually Krishna. And I have never
been so actually happy. I'm not going to leave ISKCON, I'm not going
to fight against ISKCON, I'm just going to go out and preach. You see,
with the GBC…they're BULLIES. And everyone knows that. Who else did I
just talk to? I mean, I'm talking to so many, I mean, Kalakantha said
he gave up on the GBC 12 years ago, and that's why he's successful. He
just started ignoring them. Kalakantha, Krishna Ksetra, Sacinandana
Swami, there's like….Brahma Tirtha, myself, they've become very
arrogant and corrupt. And the point is that…they cannot save ISKCON,
and they……no, I, you know, there are certain things you just can't do,
because if you do them…it's actually not good for Prabhupada, that I
just submit to them. Prabhupada never asked me to do it, it's not the
way he set up ISKCON. That's the whole illusion. That's the whole
problem. Is that devotees have actually being brainwashed into
thinking that the GBC doesn't have to respect senior Vaisnavas, and
everyone has to follow them. That's not our culture. That a senior
sannyasi Brahmana has to submit to managers. You see, they won't talk
to me, because they know that they will lose an argument. They cannot
demonstrate that I have disobeyed Prabhupada, that I have broken the
laws of ISKCON, that I even violated the agreement we made. In other
words, it is not ruled by law. It is simply a whimsical tyranny."
19:09 Devotee:"so, I figure you are not going to Mayapur?"
19:12 Hdg: "surely you jest? Of course I am not going to Mayapur. And
that's the whole point. You see, they are, they are deviating from
Prabhupada's system. If you look at all of Prabhupada's instructions,
it is clear that there should be an attitude of mutual respect. They
do not, they show no respect to others, there is a growing number of
senior devotees that are fed up, and they need to be reformed. You
know, they had the Guru Reform movement, there are several cases in
ISKCON, Guru Reform, the case of Narayan Maharaja, where it was
pressure from below that drove the GBC to do the right thing when they
couldn't do the right thing by themselves. That is the history of
ISKCON. And that's what Prabhupada envisioned. Prabhupada envisioned
an open society, where there is dialogue between senior devotees and
GBC members, and it comes to the point. But they are managers, but
managers…Chanakya Pandit said that "the King who doesn't listen to
ministers will be ruined". And they do not listen anymore. They are so
full of themselves. They are so arrogant, and so, what I am doing,
actually, is restoring the system that Prabhupada actually wanted for
ISKCON. I'm saying to the GBC, "You cannot deviate from Prabhupada's
teachings, you cannot disrespect…you cannot suspend justice at your
whim. Because that's what they think they can do. They think they are
absolute power, that they can just suspend the normal rules of
justice, at their whim. That they can use their political authority as
GBC to impose their conservative views, without fair debate and fair
discussion. They can prevent other senior devotees, grown men and
women, devotees in Temples, they can prevent them from hearing both
sides of a discussion. In so many ways, they are not acting as
Prabhupada envisioned. Therefore, by opposing…not opposing the
institution of GBC, but by not allowing them to do that, we are
actually saving ISKCON, restoring Prabhupada's ISKCON. This idea that
you cannot stand up to the GBC, that is a misunderstanding of what
Prabhupada taught. And again, several times, in fact, many people on
the GBC WERE the reform people that opposed the GBC, and demanded the
end of the Acarya system. And many of the people who led that, and
demanded action from the GBC, and pressured the GBC, they are on the
GBC now. But, it's a typical thing, you know, yesterday's
revolutionary becomes today's fat cat conservative. So, yes, I am a
member of ISKCON, yes, I accept the GBC system, but no, I don't accept
their perversion of the GBC. And yes, I will fight to restore
Prabhupada's real system. And Brahma Tirtha is madder than me. I mean,
he won't even talk to them. He is like, livid."
22:11 Devotee:"do they know that he is upset with them?"
22:12 Hdg: "They are starting to, you know, he told Bir Krishna, Brahma
Tirtha was just like, he was like…..I had to calm HIM down. Because he
is a professionally trained…he is a world class mediator. He knows
what fair process is, you know, he mediates for the justice system in
Gainesville, and he said, this is just disgustingly unfair, that, he
said, they are INCAPABLE of being fair, they are incapable of
following due process, and therefore, to allow them to go on like
that, and just become the tyrants of ISKCON, and prevent the movement
from growing in the West, that is not service to Prabhupada. It is
just weakness and foolishness. I know, because I was on the GBC, and I
know what many of them did when they were reformers. So, I am loyal to
ISKCON, I'm loyal to Prabhupada, I'm loyal to the GBC system, but I
will not allow them to hijack ISKCON. And impose a dogmatic, ignorant,
conservatism that will basically destroy the Western Hare Krishna
movement."
23:16 Devotee:"how are you going to do that? I mean, we're so small in numbers….?"
23:18 Hdg: "no we're not. There's thousands of people that follow us.
Thousands. In fact, that's why they took these measures, because they
are alarmed. At how many people agree with me. And when I explain to
the world what they've done…without commentary, without insult, just
explain, there is going to be a great outrage. And last time I did
that, according to the GBC estimates, support for Krishna West
tripled. You see, this is what is at stake. Is that, what is at stake
is Prabhupada's movement. These people are trying to STAMP OUT free
discussion, they don't want…frankly, it's what the anti-cult groups
say. Mind control. They don't want 30, 40, 50, 60 year old devotees,
to even have access to other information, to have open discussion…."
24:13 Devotee:"what can I do? What can I do? In a civilised way?"
24:17 Hdg: "get your PhD, and just help us in San Luis Obispo. No, we are
fighting to save ISKCON, internally and externally. It's just like,
for example, there is a big outrage now, because at UCLA, you see,
bureaucracies tend to take more and more power, the administrative
payroll here has tripled, whereas faculty payroll has hardly
increased. And I know that.. that's what they do. They just keep
adding, they keep taking all the money, more offices, more
administrators, at the expense of academics. In the same way, the GBC,
it's just, it's basically, it's acting like any normal, human
bureaucracy. It's just trying to consolidate power, take more and more
authority, you know, even if it destroys the preaching. And they can't
see that. I'm fighting for ISKCON, not against ISKCON…for ISKCON, to
restore ISKCON, I'm not going to leave ISKCON, I'm just going to do my
work. I'm going to do what I have to do. I'm going to preach as I
like. Not as I like…I'm going to preach what I think is the truth,
what is a necessary truth, and we're going to do Krishna West."
Phone call
26:14 Hdg: "so, this is FOR Prabhupada, I'm not against anyone, I'm not
leaving ISKCON, I'm just going to do what I have to do. I'm just going
to freely develop….and actually, they asked me to do this! You see,
actually, in a sense, I am finally doing what they always asked me
for. Don't travel, and tell the devotees all this…although it's good
that I did, because I saved a lot of people. But, you know, just do a
project. And that's what I'm going to do now. And it wasn't North
Carolina. I'm going to have to do it in my own back yard. I'm going to
have to do my own project. So that's the news."
26:50 Devotee: "devotees, who are not necessarily…..but others who are not
your initiated disciples, and most of Krishna West following in the
world, are not necessarily your disciples, right?"
27:05 Hdg: "yeah, but a lot of my disciples are not in Krishna West."
27:11 Devotee:"that's what I'm saying. So, because that's another concern,
probably, it's like, you know, he's starting his own following,
getting his own discipleship, creating a movement for his own
disciples, and"
27:23 Hdg: "no it's not. Not at all. I couldn't care….no, it's just, I
don't. No, not at all, it's not about me. It's not about me having
disciples, it's about saving the world. If I wanted disciples, I would
be going to Russia, and Brazil, and, you know, other places, where I,
I mean, I could have 10,000 disciples right now. But to me, it's just,
all it means, is it's just a headache. Just means too much email. I
mean, if some sincere soul comes, I'm happy to help them, but…I don't
want disciples. I want to see Krishna glorified all round the world."
27:56 Devotee:"now I see why I am saying this. It is because..because the
initiating Gurus in ISKCON…..
28:01 Hdg: "Oh, right, yeah, they fear that I am having too much influence"
28:05 Devotee:"so, like, as Krishna West grows, who would you send the
newcomers for initiation to? There is only one person, and that's you"
28:12 Hdg: "No….Danvantari Swami is Krishna West, Bir Krishna is Krishna
West. And other Gurus….Yadunandana Swami, I am trying to get to be a
Guru, Krishna Ks…..and there's lots of people. I want to get the job
done. I don't ca re if someone picks this or that Guru. The point is:
if you want to work with Krishna West, you work with Krishna West. And
the fact is, that when we did have zonal Acaryas, I mean, it….the
system was bad, because a lot of the big leaders were too territorial,
and power hungry, but apart from that, it actually spread the movement
10 times more effectively than now. You know, before Gurus fell down,
it actually, ISKCON exploded with growth. I mean, it was the biggest
growth in the history of Brazil….other places…it was the most
powerful…I mean, having local Acaryas, was the most powerful boost
that ISKCON ever had. The movement actually grew more after Prabhupada
left."
29:13 Devotee:"but they will never go back to that"
29:17 Hdg: "not the way it was, but what I'm saying is, having a powerful
leader in a particular project. It works.
Devotee: Yes, Sivaram as much as ...
Hdg: Yea, the dictatorship and the point is: "It works". And it's not
bad, this idea that there is something intrinsically evil by having one prominent guru is just nonsense, it IS the vedic culture and
Prabhupada said it himself. So, this idea that there is something
wrong about having a prominent leader is insanity.
Devotee: So you gonna have to be there at every guru puja. If you setup
center there, every morning program...
Hdg: No, I don't care about puja ...
Devotee: Guru puja for Prabhupad, the morning program
Hdg: Yea, no, I plan to have a morning program starting at 6:00, from
6:00 to 7:00. Yea, yea, I understand that. But point is if we are
serious about actually saving this movement, we have to do what we
have to do. Mean you get the job done or you don't. Personally, I can
not live with myself, I can not live under the GBC, I am not uder the
GBC, I'll cooperate with them, but they won't cooperate, they will
only dictate.
Devotee: May I say something, small thing. As a humble suggestion?
Hdg: Yea.
Devotee: I think it would be good to have a clicker to show an example. I
know, you know, I am convinced that you have your system of chanting
16 rounds that's in your mind and I saw it when I was traveling with
you, but, the rest of
Hdg: All right, I'll get it, I'll call Abhiram, I'll call him right
now .. for these clickers.
Devotee: I got them?
HDg: Really? I need good kind. All right, all right.
Devotee: Not for now but like ... I have many like this.
Hdg: ok, it's fine, I don't mind suggestions. I understand the
problem. I've seen the press. God, that happens when you go back to
public life, you have to deal with so many morons.
....
Devotee: But that it nice, because your idea spread all over Europe.
Hdg: It's all Krishna, it's all in Krishna's hands. He sent me around
.. While I was preaching in Europe, I was like "Why the hell I am
preaching so strongly, I am not going to get away with this." But I
just couldn't stop, I kept praying to Krishna, Krishna wanted me to do
it. He wanted me to just go and tell the truth... really speak
strongly, so that then, I'll be banned, so that I would finally settle
down. It's all Krishna's plan. It's all Krisna's plan, accept to
follow it.
