Sad Joke 2


Sep 03, 2017 — FRANCE (SUN) —

Sorry, Bhakta Torben, I will walk a little more on your garden today. I know, I am a perjurer and, sincerely, very ashamed to be one. But it will not last!

In my rare free moments, I wander freely and happily on the very large and delicious new planet (for me) of Jayadvaita's speculations on Bhagavad Gita. And this travel seems to have no end! So promising... A new world is to be discovered... Amazon and Antarctic became completely ridiculous and insignificant journeys, in terms of immensity, compared to this jewel. Mankind should immediately be informed about this treasure... We still don't know, for the moment, how to reach the hidden part (for us) of Jambudvipa, but never mind! We have Jayadvaita's accessible speculative Universe to explore on Vedabase... And to follow absolutely, if we want to go absolutely nowhere.

Therefore, two new aspects of this fascinating world appeared to me.

First, Jayadvaita is a very bad writer... no style, no class, third or fourth (at least) zone author. No materialistic sensible editor would ever publish such a mediocre writer. His reward for "vanity karma" seems to be a real mystery and a true miracle. The Vatican should immediately be informed about it! Maybe the real cause of this success is that Jayadvaita was speaking about a very intimate and personal subject which he knows perfectly? Anyway, he is himself, unfortunately, an editor and so, he has all the facilities to edit whatever he wants. And therefore, of course, his own masterpieces. The problem (apart the asampradaya act to change an acarya's work) is that his impressive talent completely spoils the Bhagavad Gita and Krsna's poetry quality. That is not insignificant...

Second point:

His changes are sometimes completely wrong, philosophically speaking, and have huge consequences. Bhakta Torben already showed many examples of that.

I found some myself (and I have very little available time for that...) I will give only a few. And it is not necessary to go very far in Bhagavad Gita to find some of them. Jayadvaita loses time only in his spiritual life! In changes, he is already perfectly fit, even in the second chapter:

Vedabase Jayadvaita Bg 2.13:

"As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change."

Old Bhagavad Gita, even post 1977. 2-13:

    "As the embodied soul continually passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. The self-realized soul is not bewildered by such a change."

I don't have the 1972 edition but, in the old Gita I am referring to this verse looks acceptable. The issue is that, for Jayadvaita, things are not going in the proper way. We are supposed to make real progress in our spiritual life! Not to go on the opposite direction. Therefore, within those last decades, for our "improver of acaryas' work", "self-realized soul" became "a sober person". Which is very different. And I will give another point of view than the one which was given by bhakta Torben. The meaning of "a sober person" is a person who is "moderate (according to the dictionary).

If Jayadvaita believes that to be only moderate is enough not to be disturbed at time of death, and therefore, change of body, he is completely in illusion! But we already knew that. There are millions of people who are moderate (or sober) but actually only a self-realized soul can be not bewildered by such a change. Precisely because for a self-realized soul, there is no change! No more material body, and so, no bewilderment. That is actually what Sri Krsna wants to say! And what Jayadvaita has not understood!!! He and Bhakti Caru, who both manage ISKCON together and allow those changes, neither understood! Any non self-realized soul is bewildered by death and change of body! Why does Krsna say in Bhagavad Gita that all planets in the material universe, from the lowest to the highest one, are places of misery where reign birth, death, disease...? Why does Krsna mention death and associate it to misery, if it is not bewildering, even for the most sober persons???

Later, in verse 27, Krsna says that birth is certain for the one who dies. And in verse 13 we mentioned, Krsna speaks about change of body, not only about death. So, to death disturbance, you can add the one of birth and so, naturally included in it, the stay in a mother's womb for a long time. And later, again, a new difficult apprenticeship of life. Why is there neither death nor birth in the spiritual world if all those things are not disturbing for everyone? Why are we trying to avoid a new birth?

Therefore, before changing anything in what say Krsna and Prabhupada, Jayadvaita should first ask and pay for a favorable brain transplant! He can find one easily! Almost everyone in this world is more intelligent than him!!! That is now proved!

And the mankind should tolerate all those nonsenses because of etiquette? Because Jayadvaita and others are old so-called Prabhupada disciples? What is sure is that Jayadvaita and others, with all that they did, will be far more than bewildered at the time of death! For very sure!

Vedabase Jayadvaita Bg 2.16 (as you can see, v13 to v16. There is no idle time for stupid changes in Jayadvaita's life):

    "Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the nonexistent [the material body] there is no endurance and of the eternal [the soul] there is no change. This they have concluded by studying the nature of both."

Old post-1977 Bhagavad Gita, 2-16:

    "Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the nonexistent there is no endurance, and of the existent there is no cessation. This seers have concluded by studying the nature of both,"

So, apart from the horrible style that Jayadvaita gives to Bhagavad Gita by changing it, and adding his brackets, where Krsna's style is very poetic, again, a wrong philosophical point is introduced by our brilliant jnani.

Where did he find that Krsna is only speaking about the material body and the soul in this verse? So many other things than the material body are temporary and can be a source of big disturbance, through losing them at time of death, if we relate this verse to verse 16. Which Jayadvaita is precisely doing. Material possessions are temporary, family relationships are temporary. And in a wider perspective, our material pains and joys or happiness are temporary, our jobs are temporary, our political and social situations are temporary, success in business, empires (Roman empire, Alexander the Great's, Gengis Khan's), karma is temporary!

Jayadvaita's and Bhakti Caru's false fame, name, position and glory are temporary and will very soon be completely forgotten by everyone! Their present mental comfort is also temporary!

As well, so many other "elements" than the soul are also eternal: Krsna, the spiritual world, spiritual energy, our relation with Krsna, spiritual happiness, spiritual progress (nehabikrama naso sti), etc.

Where did Jayadvaita find the right to interpret and to change what Krsna Himself is saying ???!!!

Anyway, it is enough... It is not necessary to go further and deeper in this exploration of Jayadvaita's foolishness. There are so many other disastrous examples of it. We just have to come back to Prabhupada's 1972 edition, that's all.

Therefore, in a wider perspective, Jayadvaita is thinking himself to be very bright, and some others with him. In the world of fools, fools greatly appreciate each others' non-qualities. But if Jayadvaita has maybe some hundreds of neurons (not sure...), those neurons appear to be obviously seriously sick! And the GBCs who authorize his changes, their neurons are not much better. Obviously, there is an epidemic! Which can very easily become a pandemia, through preaching. There is no good reason why this scourge would not cross the frontiers of ISKCON... I have already informed the WHO (not the rock-band) about it. And I am waiting for an e-mail from Donald, Vladimir and others who met yesterday in emergency. There is not any more question of political opinions nor nations in such a situation! We must be all united... Lol!

As for us, let's all remember that we should be blameless because any offense of some personalities is a scar on Kali and Maya devi.


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