Swami Chinna Jeeyar: 'There is no Radha'
BY: SUN STAFF
Aug 24, 2013 CANADA (SUN) On August 11th we reported on ISKCON Denver's upcoming festival plans: Srivaisnava Swami to give Janmastami Lecture at ISKCON Denver. It appears that the Swami's name has now been removed from the program page of the temple's website, perhaps as a result of the inflow of complaints about this extremely poor arrangement for Janmastami. As of 8 p.m. PST tonight, the Swami's Facebook page still had a listing for this event, along it seems to have been removed in the last hour or two.
Listing from Chinna Jeeyar Swami's Facebook Page, Aug 24th
Today a Sun reader shared with us a summary of some of the content found on Swami Chinna Jeeyar's website. Our original story on this subject generated letters from a number of Sun readers who came to the Swami's defense. Most arguments on the Swami's behalf had to do with the fact that in general, the Srivaisnavas are favorably inclined towards Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu, although the Sri's official tattva does not recognize Him as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. But the differences don't stop there, as the Swami's answers to his readers demonstrate. He writes:
How is it that the ISKCON Denver Temple President, Tusta Krsna dasa, who is supposedly under the "ultimate managing authority" of GBC Badrinarayana, and the rest of the congregation leaders would invite someone to preach in the temple on Janmastami, when that person is preaching that the Queen of Vrindavan, Srimati Radharani, doesn't even exist?
Quotes from www.ChinnaJeeyar.org
ACCORDING TO ORIGINAL SRIMAD BHAGAVATHAM, COMPOSED BY THE GREAT SAGE VEDA VYASA, THERE IS NO CHARACTER CALLED AS "RADHA" AT ALL. THE MENTION OF RADHA IS AVAILABLE IN RAJASA PURANA LIKE 'BRAHMA VAIVARTHA PURANAM'. WE CAN TAKE 'RADHA' AS A SYMBOL OF DEVOTEE WITH SELFLESS DEVOTION. IN SANSKRIT "RADH" MEANS TO PLEASE. THE DEVOTION OF ONE, WHO PLEASED LORD WITH HIS HEART, DEED AND WORD, WILL BE CALLED AS RADHA. BECAUSE THE WORD 'DEVOTION' IS IN FEMININE GENDER, SO THE WORD 'RADHA' ALSO BECAME A FEMININE GENDER WORD. WHEN A CHARACTER IS PERSONIFIED THAT CHARACTER BECAME 'LADY RADHA'. HOW LORD LOVES SUCH A DEVOTEE AND HOW SUCH DEVOTEE IS MERGED IN LORD, IS SEEN IN RADHA-KRISHNAS. HENCE RADHA IS NOT REALLY A PERSON, IT APPEARS. THAT IS THE REASON WHY KALYANAM IS NOT PERFORMED TO THEM. IT IS DONE TO THOSE WHO WERE REALLY THERE DURING HIS PERIOD.
1) LORD RAMA, A PU:RNA MA:NAVA AVATHA:RAM. HE NEVER SAID THAT HE WAS GOD. INSPITE OF DEVATHAS SAYING SO, HE DENIED THAT. THAT PU:RNATHWAM IS SHOWN BY THITTHI " 9 ". NINE AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, IS A PU:RNA SAMKHYA. INDESTRUCTIBLE NUMBER IT IS. MANUSHYA SHOULD LIVE LIKE THAT IN THE HISTORY, BY PRACTISING HUMANE QUALITIES, LIKE THAT OF LORD RAMA. 2) LORD KRISHNA, IS THE INCORNATION OF LORD HIMSELF DIRECTLY ON THIS EARTH. HE IS NOT A MAN LIKE SRI RAMA. WHILE LOOKING AT LORD KRISHNA, ONE SHOULD NOT THINIK OF MAN AT ALL. HE IS GOD-HIMSELF. ACCORDING TO THE VEDAS, GOD WILL BE REVEALED THOUGH A MANTHRA THAT IS " 8 " SYLLABLES, CALLED ASHTA:KSHARI MAHA MANTHRA. THAT IS WHY HE CHOSE TO BE THE EIGHTTH BORN TO DE:VAKI DE:VI, AND 8TH THITTHI ALSO.
Regarding observing ekadasi:
Further what is the procedure of observing the fast i,e which are the foods that are permitted to be taken excepting Rice(Annam). I would be happy if the benign swamyji can answer these questions.
3 ) ONE NEEDS TO DO THE REGULAR SANDHYA AND PUJA TAKE THEERTHAMS. OFFERING UNCOOKED FOOD LIKE FRUITS ETC., IS GOOD. OR ELSE, OFFER SOME PREPARATION WITH SWEET AND FLOUR USING THINGS OTHER THAN RICE AND OFFER THEM TO THE LORD. USING SALT ALSO IS NOT GOOD ON E:KA:DASI. THEN TAKE PRASADAM AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE. OR REDUCE TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE ON THAT DAY.
FOR THE SAKE OF SLOKA, IT IS MENTIONED 'NARAYANAYETHI SAMARPAYAMI'. TO AVOID CONFUSION FURTHER, THEY ADDED THAT NARAYANA IS NOT SINGLE ONE BUT 'SRIMANNARAYANAYETHI…' OF COURSE, NARAYANA IS ALWAYS 'SRIMAN' ONLY. WHEN THAT CONCEPT INCARNATED BECAME 'KRISHNA' TO WE OFFER TO HIM EVERYTHING.THE STORIES OF CHANDAMAMA NEED NOT BE TAKEN AS EXACT STORIES OF THE PURANAM. LORD IN HIS DIVINE ABODE IS CALLED AS PARA-VASUDEVA OR SRIMANNARAYANA. WHEN HE STARTS THE CREATING HE TAKES THE NAME AS VISHNU, ALONG WITH BRAHMA & SIVA. BUT WHEN EVER THE TIME COMES TAKES INCARNATIONS. IN THAT PROCESS, ONE INCARNATION AMONG THEM WAS LORD KRISHNA, WHO IS VERY NEAR TO US. SO WE DEDICATE AT THE END TO HIM, AS HE ASKED THAT FROM US IN BHAGAVAD GITHA IN 9TH CHAPTER. INCARNATIONS FROM KRISHNA, AS EXPLAINED BY ISCON, IS NOT ACCEPTED BY OUR ACHARYAS. EVEN AUTHENTIC PURANAS ALSO WERE NOT IN TUNE TO THAT CONCEPT. THIS HAS BEEN EXPLAINED IN BRAHMA VAIVARTHA PURANAM, WHICH WAS CONSIDERED AS A THAMASA PURANAM. SO YOU NEED NOT TAKE THE PORTIONS OF THAT, WHICH GO AGAINST TO SRIMAD BHAGAVATHAM, BECAUSE IT IS THE MOST AUTHENTIC ONE. IN THAT BHAGAVATHAM, ISCON PEOPLES STAND WAS NOT SUPPORTED.
ONE NEEDS TO LOOK INTO THE STORY OF SRI RA:MA AS A HUMAN BEING. SO HE NEEDS TO GO TO A GURU AND LEARN STRICTLY ACCORDING TO THE HUMAN TERMS AND CONDITIONS. WHEREAS ONE SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT LORD KRISHNA IS NOT A HUMAN BEING. HE CAME TO SHOW AS AND HOW GOD WOULD BE. SO HE, IN FACT, DOES NOT NEED TO GO TOANY GURU AND LEARN ANYTHING. YET, HE ALSO APPROACHED GARGA:CHARYA WHILE HE WAS YOUNG AND APPROACHED SA:NDI:PANI FOR 64 DAYS TO JUST UNDERSTAND WHAT THE 64 KALAS ARE. IT IS ONLY TO SAY THAT ANYONE NEEDS A GURU. THAT IS ALL. HE NEVER GOT TRAINED IN ANY SUBJECT FROM ANYONE.
Dear all, I heard vasudeva is supreme of all demi gods. Is vasudeva lord krishna?. I heard for each loka there will be three Vishnus, for all these vishnus, krishna is the origin,is it correct ? please give me detailed description. "dhanyavad" in advance.
THE DESCRIPTION YOU HAVE SEEN, MUST BE FROM ISCON BOOKS. THEY FEEL THAT KRISHNA IS THE ORIGIN TO ALL THE INCARNATIONS. FROM HIM ONLY EVERYTHING CAME. WE ACCEPT IT THOUGH, FOR LORD KRISHNA IS NONE ELSE THAN LORD NARAYANA HIMSELF, YET, HE IS ONLY ONE AVATHA:RA AMONG MANY. THAT HAS BEEN VERY CLEARLY DESCRIBED IN SRIMAD BHAGAVATHAM. THE DIFFERENCE IS, IN OTHER AVATHA:RAS, LORD CHOSE ONLY A FEW QUALITIES FOR HIS ACTIVITIES, WHEREAS IN KRISHNA AVATHA:RA, HE APPEARED WITH MANY OF HIS DIVINE QUALITIES. AND ALSO, THE QUALITIES OF ALL AVATHA:RAS ARE SEEN THERE. THAT IS WHY, KRISHNA AVATHA:RA IS CONSIDERED TO BE THE "PARIPU:RNA AVATHA:RA".
WITHOUT SITHA'S ENTERING INTO THE FIRE ITSELF RAMA WAS SURE OF SITHA'S CHARACTER. BUT HE ALSO WAS A MAN. SO HUMANLY WEAKNESSES BOTHERED HIM.
THOUGH NA:RA:YANA & SRIKRISHNA ARE ONE AND THE SAME, YET, NA:RA:YANA IS THE RIVER AND KRISHNA IS THE DECORATED SHORE. YOU NEED TO ENTER THE RIVER THROUGH A SHORE ONLY, RIGHT! BY SAYING THESE TWO SENTENCES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZING THAT THE RIVER AND THE SHORE ARE NOT SEPARATE.
Being an Acharya of an authentic sampradaya do you consider ISKCON sampradaya as an authorized one?
ONLY TO SOME EXTENT, YES. THEY ACCEPT "BRAHMA VAIVARTHA PURANA" AS SUPREME AUTHORITY. We accept that part of purana & only then, when and where it is not contradicing the Vedas. In Vedas it is clear that the ultimate GOAL of the soul should be "so: dhvanah pa:ra ma:pno:thi thad vishno:h paramam padam" 'Paramapadam of Vishnu'. This is only we accept.
Will we reach different destinations if we treat Vishnu as source Vs. Krishna as source. In your opinion if some one follows ISKCON sampradaya can that help attain Vaikunta.
ACCORDING TO VEDAS, WHATEVER YOU FIX UP AS YOUR GOAL, AND MEDITATE UPON GOD, YOU REACH THAT GOAL ONLY. NOT A COMMON GOAL. THIS IS CALLED "yattha: krathu nya:yam".
AS AND HOW YOU MEDITATE, THUS YOU ATTAIN. IN YOUR QUESTION YOU ASKED ABOUT ISKCON. THEY BELIEVED IN GO:LO:KAM AS THEIR GOAL. BUT NOT VAIKUNTHAM. HENCE THEY REACH GO:LO:KAM ONLY. HERE OUR OPINION IS IMMETERIAL. THE OPINION OF VEDA IS IMPORTANT. FOR US VEDA IS SUPREME AND UNQUESTIONABLE AUTHORITY ON ANY ISSUES RELATED TO SOUL, GOD AND ATTAINMENT.
THOSE NAMES TO GOD. NOW, THOSE WHO FIGHT SUPPORTING THEIR ARGUMENT, AS 'THIS FORM OF GOD IS ORIGIN AND EVERYTHING CAME OUT OF IT' OR 'THAT FORM IS THE ORIGINAL', ARE BASICALLY IGNORANTS, IN REALIZING THE FACT THAT 'ALL THE NAMES BELONG TO THE SAME ONE AND FOR GOD, EVERYTHING CAN COME FROM ANYTHING.
NOW, COME TO THE POINT, THAT LORD KRISHNA BORN IN JAIL AND WITHDRAW HIS INCARNATION ALSO ON A DAY. THAT CLEARLY SAYS HE IS ONLY AN INCARNATION. THERE MUST BE SOME ORIGIN FOR THAT ALSO. SRIMAD BHAGAVATHAM ITSELF CLEARLY SAYS THAT 'ORIGIN'S' NAME IS 'VA:SUDE:VA' IN SOME PLACES AND 'NA:RA:YANA' IN SOME PLACES.
AGAIN THESE NAMES ALSO WERE GIVEN BASING UPON A PARTICULAR ABILITY OF THAT SUPREME. WHEN WE GO INTO THE ETYMOLOGY OF THE WORD, THE WORD 'NA:RA:YANA' ENCOMPASSES WIDER AREA THAN THAT OF 'VA:SUDE:VA'. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE WORD "KRISHNA" EVEN ITS MEANING ALSO IS LIMITED WHEN COMPARED TO THE WORD 'NA:RA:YANA'. THIS IS ABOUT THE WORD WE ARE MENTIONING. NOT ABOUT THE SUPREME. "SUPREME IS ALWAYS SUPREME ONLY" IN WHATEVER FORM AND NAME HE IS. NAMES AND FORMS CREAT LIMITATIONS FOR EVERYTHING. FOR GOD, THOUGH FORMS ARE HAVINGS LIMITATIONS, BUT THE POWER IN THAT PARTICULAR FORM, WILL HAVE NO LIMIT. CHAPTER 4 OF BHAGAVAD GITHA MAKES IT CLEAR. KRISHNA, THUS SHOWED THE LIMIT OF HIS FORM IN THAT INCARNATION. FOR THE NAME OF "NARAYANA" THERE IS NO LIMIT EITHER IN THE NAME (ACCORDING TO VYA;KARANAM) OR IN THE FORM, FOR, THE WHOLE UNIVERSE WITH ALL THE BEINGS IN IT, IN OTHER WORDS, ENTIRE MATTER & MATERIAL WITH ENERGY, COMES IN TO THAT FORM.
SO, DIFFERENCE OF OPINION COMES, WHEN OUR PERCEPTION IS DIFFERENT OR NOT FULL. IN FACT, THERE NO NEED TO ARGUE. ACCEPTING THAT OURS IS ALSO "A VIEW" IS ALRIGHT. BUT, IF WE SAY THAT OURS IS ONLY "THE VIEW" , AND ALL VIEWS OF OTHERS OR WRONG, BECOMES A BIG PROBLEM. A ROSE IS ALWAYS IS A ROSE. BUT DIFFERENT PEOPLE LOOK IN DIFFERENT WAYS, AT IT. A POET, SCIENTIST, PHILOSOPHER, BUSINESS MAN, COMMON MAN ETC., HAVE THEIR OWN VIEWS OVER IT, RIGHT! IT IS NOT THE FAULT OF THE ROSE, BUT OF THE PERSONS. SAME WITH SUPREME ALSO.